Do you believe that Hamas has any responsibility in any of this. Why doesn't Hamas surrender and lay down their weapons. They could stop the slaughter.
It’s important to recognize that contrary to what our mainstream media reports this lopsided bloodbath did NOT start on October 7th. It started with Israel’s Apartheid occupation and total subjugation and the following decades of absolute control of Palestinians and the gradual violent theft of Palestinian land by Israel though it’s illegal settlements. Palestine has brought up the atrocities 46 times to the World Court but blocked by US and has had numerous protests in Gaza over the years. The world ignored their plight and labeled them “terrorists “. It’s difficult to think of what other options were available to Hamas although I don’t support violence.
You are intentionally being obtuse and repeating the same Hasbara talking points of how Israel is the real victim here and not reading my texts clearly. I have stated many times that Oct 7th was horrific as well but time for only sympathy for Israel is over. Israel conveniently doesn’t want anyone look at the horrors they have been committing for decades and wants Americans to believe that they are the only victims. October 7th was10 months ago. Gaza is 4,000x times worse and it’s currently going on. Israel is being led by a right wing coalition of homocidal maniacs who are sadly going to bring about their own demise through their brutally as the world is waking up from Hasbara’s thought campaign. Let’s just agree to disagree.
I am not saying that I agree with what Israel is doing but warfare is tragic but but you seem to sympathize with Hamas. Why do you see it as Israel's responsibility when Hamas could end this by surrendering, my guess is that you don't want this to happen because you believe Hamas is justified, and they are not. They have put their people in peril by doing what they did. All of your other arguments are subterfuge, sophistry. The only people that can make peace are the Palestinians. They voted in Hamas who has done nothing for them but bring misery and people like you have lost the plot. Just like in Northern Ireland peace has to come from the people on the ground or it perpetuates itself for infinity. Read the book Son of Hamas and deprogram yourself.
Wow you are a real human being, how about Hamas not starting the war in the first place. How about Hamas not using their own people as shields because they are fucking cowards. Hamas wanted this reaction but you are too thick to understand this. Hamas started this and they could save their people by surrendering but you wouldn't go along with this because you believe that they had the right to kill women and children. Also, look up collateral damage, it happens in all conflicts. Genocide is what happened to Jews under the Nazis.
They're responsible for October 7, sure. The IDF is responsible for the vast majority of everything after October 7, and most of what came before as well.
It's really incredible how your tunnel vision doesn't allow you to see what's right in front of you, including all the times when Israel rejected cease fire agreements and basically said they only way they'll stop is when no one in Gaza is left alive.
Wow that is an insightful geopolitical statement. Hamas could choose to end this by laying down their arms and releasing the hostages. Why shouldn't they?
You don't seem to know much about what's going on here. You may want to do some reading up on the history between Netanyahu and Hamas. Prepare to be surprised.
I’ll take my chances with anyone but that warmongering butcher Netinyahu who is providing who the real terrorists are everyday. Look up what he Oxford dictionary definition of terrorist and refute how it doesn’t perfectly fit Netinyahu.
Why does Israel not stop the slaughter and lay down their weapons?
IF you continue to read trash media I have nothing to say.
IMAGINE the USA fighting to survive (Believe me this is a possibility) I won't come to your aid neither will many countries. But may be one country will and they will be called terrorist organization.
It’s important to recognize that contrary to what our mainstream media reports this lopsided bloodbath did NOT start on October 7th. It started with Israel’s Apartheid occupation and total subjugation and the following decades of absolute control of Palestinians and the gradual violent theft of Palestinian land by Israel though it’s illegal settlements. Palestine has brought up the atrocities 46 times to the World Court but blocked by US and has had numerous protests in Gaza over the years. The world ignored their plight and labeled them “terrorists “. It’s difficult to think of what other options were available to Hamas although I don’t support violence.
Have the Palestinians been allowed to vote for any government other than the “terrorist” government that “terrorist”Netinyahu supported financially to keep deligitimizing Palestinians within the past 16 years? Did the 3 year old that the War Criminal made an orphan and blow off its legs vote for Hamas? Spare me the victimhood argument trying to distract from the REAL issue of Israel’s Apartheid for the past 40years! Of course no one is in favor of Oct 7th. But that doesn’t warrant inflicting 40,00 similar Oct 7 tha on Gazans. What other options that hadn’t already been tried by Hamas so you believe were available to them to bring their plight to the world’s attention?
Once again, you're completely full of shit. The fact that you keep telling people to de-program themselves while you endlessly repeat AIPAC talking point is hilarious. Get the fuck outta here and delete your fucking account, you drooling moron.
Well you lost the argument David you have moved to the point of Ad Hominens. This is what people like you do when you have no argument, so whine on you Hamas lover!
Do you think Israel isn't murdering women and children (and men), and hasn't been for nearly 80 years? I love how you just pop up with your easily disproven talking points and refuse to respond to any questions anyone is posing to you. Pretty sick!
In warfare a war that Hamas started on Oct 7 th there is collateral damage. Collateral damage is a horrific thing but a by product of warfare. Look up Dresden, Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
And David, as in the sectarian violence in Northern Ireland there will be no peace in this region until the Palestinians decide they want it. Hamas is dedicated to wiping out Israel. To say anything else is disingenuous.
You are the one with talking points. What is happening in Gaza is collateral damage. What happened to Jews in WW2 was genocide. You have no understanding of history . You should read Son of Hamas and get the inside story on your heroes.
Hi Louis, I can't find the thread in which you replied to my statement, so I am replying here. I never said that I support the killing of women and children in Gaza. It seems that most people here are equivocating in terms of Hamas saying that it was inevitable or justified in doing what it did on Oct 7. I would like to ask you how do you think Israel should react to the attack from a group that has started that it wants to erase Israel? How do you deal with this reality. They have also stated.that they would like to have many more Oct 7ths. How do you make peace with someone who wants to annihilate you?
Hamas knew that they were going to get this reaction in fact they planned it. So how can you not hold them responsible. Do you seriously believe that Hamas cares about the Palestinian people? They are cowards who build their networks under schools and hospitals making sure that their people are sacrificed in order to create propaganda.
You should read "Son of Hamas" written by Misab Hassan Yousef who is the son of one of the creators of Hamas, he was in Hamas and he got out of it. It will give you a perspective that you are missing here.
They lack the courage or moral fortitude. They have mostly been bought by SuperPACs as $ and power are the only thing they value . Rashida put them all to shame …
Harris has been bought by AIPAC to be pro- Israel sadly. She was a speaker at 2 of their conversations and has received contributions from them throughout her career. I believe AIPAC has donated $5 million to her current campaign to ensure she’s pro-Israel.-I wouldn’t hold out much hope that she’ll anything other than Biden II- touch talk no action- but I too would love it if she were supportive of Palestine 🇵🇸. Just being realistic about how much pressure she’s under by AIPAC.
I don’t think it’s gonna happen unless you live in another type of government . And we JUST had a talk about the the destruction of democracy . What do you mean SOME talk? You can say almost anything you want in US and not go to jail for it- unlike much other places in the world.
I would rather use the words Zionist here a far cry from Jewish people.
Is this war (weaponised by the US/UK) a fair war?
When the Zionists (who back your Government in the USA) take over your Govt. which it has already done along with your Evangelical 'know nothings' what exactly are YOU going to do?
Fyi the USA is dead.
Your country has trillions of dollars in debt........what are you going to do about this?
American poverty has displaced many countries over the world
You have no decent healthcare/your people are living on the streets whilst you have the biggest incarcerated people on the planet. Your life expectancy is zilch. Look it up.
People like you have absolutely NO idea what happens when colonialism dies.
All of that might be true- but what is the alternative? A king, an autocrat? Like most of other countries? They are usually killing many of their own people who speak against the government or pray to a different god. Horrific wars and all sorts of atrocities have been committed by all sorts of governments since the beginning of time. Much of the world has numerous socitetal problems. At least in US we can have this conversation and not be thrown in jail.
Look up the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. It is a document that was published in the 19th century, a fabrication a false document about a cabal of Zionists who wanted to take over the world. Very much like what you are saying. Hitler and his ilk believed in this conspiracy and look what came of it!
You asked me what I read, I read history. I have since I was a child. One of the first books I read was the "Scorch of the Swastika." You speak of Genocide and seem to know nothing about collateral damage which happens in war. Look up civilian casualties in Dresden, Hiroshima, Nagasaki. This is the terrible reality of war and it is sad it continues. You seem to think that Hamas is innocent, didn't they start all of this up on Oct 7th? Do you honestly believe that they didn't expect retaliation? Hamas brutally murdered almost 2 thousand people and blaming Israel is akin to blaming the United States for Pearl Harbour, you speak in Hamas talking points and you seem not to have any grasp on history.
Hamas was given many millions of dollars and instead of improving the lives of their people decided to fight a proxy war for Iran by buying weapons and building tunnels.
You don't know about the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" with whom you subscribe to. So it seems you are aligned with the National Socialists. You didn't answer any of my questions? What do you know of warfare?
Easy to 'skip out' but not so easy to do what Rashida did. I cannot imagine having to listen to this monster for an hour.
Do you believe that Hamas has any responsibility in any of this. Why doesn't Hamas surrender and lay down their weapons. They could stop the slaughter.
The only reason to ask this question is to deny the agency and responsibility of the IDF. I suspect you know this.
It’s important to recognize that contrary to what our mainstream media reports this lopsided bloodbath did NOT start on October 7th. It started with Israel’s Apartheid occupation and total subjugation and the following decades of absolute control of Palestinians and the gradual violent theft of Palestinian land by Israel though it’s illegal settlements. Palestine has brought up the atrocities 46 times to the World Court but blocked by US and has had numerous protests in Gaza over the years. The world ignored their plight and labeled them “terrorists “. It’s difficult to think of what other options were available to Hamas although I don’t support violence.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khGGpjOKo1Q&t=629s&ab_channel=J-TV%3AJewishIdeas.GlobalRelevance.
You don't support violence but you understand why Hamas did what they did which means you support violence.
You are intentionally being obtuse and repeating the same Hasbara talking points of how Israel is the real victim here and not reading my texts clearly. I have stated many times that Oct 7th was horrific as well but time for only sympathy for Israel is over. Israel conveniently doesn’t want anyone look at the horrors they have been committing for decades and wants Americans to believe that they are the only victims. October 7th was10 months ago. Gaza is 4,000x times worse and it’s currently going on. Israel is being led by a right wing coalition of homocidal maniacs who are sadly going to bring about their own demise through their brutally as the world is waking up from Hasbara’s thought campaign. Let’s just agree to disagree.
I am not saying that I agree with what Israel is doing but warfare is tragic but but you seem to sympathize with Hamas. Why do you see it as Israel's responsibility when Hamas could end this by surrendering, my guess is that you don't want this to happen because you believe Hamas is justified, and they are not. They have put their people in peril by doing what they did. All of your other arguments are subterfuge, sophistry. The only people that can make peace are the Palestinians. They voted in Hamas who has done nothing for them but bring misery and people like you have lost the plot. Just like in Northern Ireland peace has to come from the people on the ground or it perpetuates itself for infinity. Read the book Son of Hamas and deprogram yourself.
What do you think Israel's reaction should have been?
Fighting back is killing and raping and beheading women and children. I get it Hamas are freedom fighters!
Wow you are a real human being, how about Hamas not starting the war in the first place. How about Hamas not using their own people as shields because they are fucking cowards. Hamas wanted this reaction but you are too thick to understand this. Hamas started this and they could save their people by surrendering but you wouldn't go along with this because you believe that they had the right to kill women and children. Also, look up collateral damage, it happens in all conflicts. Genocide is what happened to Jews under the Nazis.
If you really think tens of thousands of civilian deaths are "collateral damage," then you are an irredeemable monster.
What about the responsibility of Hamas who started the whole thing?
They're responsible for October 7, sure. The IDF is responsible for the vast majority of everything after October 7, and most of what came before as well.
It's really incredible how your tunnel vision doesn't allow you to see what's right in front of you, including all the times when Israel rejected cease fire agreements and basically said they only way they'll stop is when no one in Gaza is left alive.
Hamas sucks. The IDF sucks WAY more.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khGGpjOKo1Q&t=629s&ab_channel=J-TV%3AJewishIdeas.GlobalRelevance.
Wow that is an insightful geopolitical statement. Hamas could choose to end this by laying down their arms and releasing the hostages. Why shouldn't they?
Lmfao bibi doesn't want peace. He is not going to stop fighting. He has said so.
You don't seem to know much about what's going on here. You may want to do some reading up on the history between Netanyahu and Hamas. Prepare to be surprised.
It looks like the same stuff that happened with the US and Bin Laden, right!
I’ll take my chances with anyone but that warmongering butcher Netinyahu who is providing who the real terrorists are everyday. Look up what he Oxford dictionary definition of terrorist and refute how it doesn’t perfectly fit Netinyahu.
I guess you would define Hamas as misunderstood Boy Scouts.
So it sounds like you support a suicide death cult which is Hamas.
NO I absolutely do not.
Why does Israel not stop the slaughter and lay down their weapons?
IF you continue to read trash media I have nothing to say.
IMAGINE the USA fighting to survive (Believe me this is a possibility) I won't come to your aid neither will many countries. But may be one country will and they will be called terrorist organization.
What exactly do you read?
I would like a reply.
It’s important to recognize that contrary to what our mainstream media reports this lopsided bloodbath did NOT start on October 7th. It started with Israel’s Apartheid occupation and total subjugation and the following decades of absolute control of Palestinians and the gradual violent theft of Palestinian land by Israel though it’s illegal settlements. Palestine has brought up the atrocities 46 times to the World Court but blocked by US and has had numerous protests in Gaza over the years. The world ignored their plight and labeled them “terrorists “. It’s difficult to think of what other options were available to Hamas although I don’t support violence.
Have the Palestinians been allowed to vote for any government other than the “terrorist” government that “terrorist”Netinyahu supported financially to keep deligitimizing Palestinians within the past 16 years? Did the 3 year old that the War Criminal made an orphan and blow off its legs vote for Hamas? Spare me the victimhood argument trying to distract from the REAL issue of Israel’s Apartheid for the past 40years! Of course no one is in favor of Oct 7th. But that doesn’t warrant inflicting 40,00 similar Oct 7 tha on Gazans. What other options that hadn’t already been tried by Hamas so you believe were available to them to bring their plight to the world’s attention?
Not murder, rape, and beheadings to start.
They should have never voted Hamas in in the first place. Read Son of Hamas and deprogram yourself.
Once again, you're completely full of shit. The fact that you keep telling people to de-program themselves while you endlessly repeat AIPAC talking point is hilarious. Get the fuck outta here and delete your fucking account, you drooling moron.
Well you lost the argument David you have moved to the point of Ad Hominens. This is what people like you do when you have no argument, so whine on you Hamas lover!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khGGpjOKo1Q&t=629s&ab_channel=J-TV%3AJewishIdeas.GlobalRelevance.
What does from the river to the sea mean to you?
You are repeating Hamas talking points. Hamas is on record that they want to wipe Israel off the map!
You should read "Son of Hamas" if you want the real truth.
So it is justified in your mind that Hamas was okay in murdering women and children? That is pretty sick!
Do you think Israel isn't murdering women and children (and men), and hasn't been for nearly 80 years? I love how you just pop up with your easily disproven talking points and refuse to respond to any questions anyone is posing to you. Pretty sick!
In warfare a war that Hamas started on Oct 7 th there is collateral damage. Collateral damage is a horrific thing but a by product of warfare. Look up Dresden, Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
And David, as in the sectarian violence in Northern Ireland there will be no peace in this region until the Palestinians decide they want it. Hamas is dedicated to wiping out Israel. To say anything else is disingenuous.
You are the one with talking points. What is happening in Gaza is collateral damage. What happened to Jews in WW2 was genocide. You have no understanding of history . You should read Son of Hamas and get the inside story on your heroes.
Hi Louis, I can't find the thread in which you replied to my statement, so I am replying here. I never said that I support the killing of women and children in Gaza. It seems that most people here are equivocating in terms of Hamas saying that it was inevitable or justified in doing what it did on Oct 7. I would like to ask you how do you think Israel should react to the attack from a group that has started that it wants to erase Israel? How do you deal with this reality. They have also stated.that they would like to have many more Oct 7ths. How do you make peace with someone who wants to annihilate you?
Hamas knew that they were going to get this reaction in fact they planned it. So how can you not hold them responsible. Do you seriously believe that Hamas cares about the Palestinian people? They are cowards who build their networks under schools and hospitals making sure that their people are sacrificed in order to create propaganda.
You should read "Son of Hamas" written by Misab Hassan Yousef who is the son of one of the creators of Hamas, he was in Hamas and he got out of it. It will give you a perspective that you are missing here.
Thank you for writing this Caitlin.
They lack the courage or moral fortitude. They have mostly been bought by SuperPACs as $ and power are the only thing they value . Rashida put them all to shame …
It's difficult to say how much this matters, but Harris is at least rhetorically better on Palestinian human rights than Biden -
https://www.npr.org/2024/07/25/nx-s1-5048285/harris-gaza-war
Again, difficult to say whether any of what she says goes past rhetoric, but here's to hoping...
Harris has been bought by AIPAC to be pro- Israel sadly. She was a speaker at 2 of their conversations and has received contributions from them throughout her career. I believe AIPAC has donated $5 million to her current campaign to ensure she’s pro-Israel.-I wouldn’t hold out much hope that she’ll anything other than Biden II- touch talk no action- but I too would love it if she were supportive of Palestine 🇵🇸. Just being realistic about how much pressure she’s under by AIPAC.
Drag. But thanks for the info.
I mean “conventions”
The bossest of fucking bosses, now and always.
You want to know what I think is brave? How about trying to rescue a burning American flag from a bunch of goose-stepping Hamas Nazis?
https://x.com/RichieMcGinniss/status/1816196315342045428
I don’t think it’s gonna happen unless you live in another type of government . And we JUST had a talk about the the destruction of democracy . What do you mean SOME talk? You can say almost anything you want in US and not go to jail for it- unlike much other places in the world.
Hello everyone especially you western powers.
What do you think Israel wants?
I would rather use the words Zionist here a far cry from Jewish people.
Is this war (weaponised by the US/UK) a fair war?
When the Zionists (who back your Government in the USA) take over your Govt. which it has already done along with your Evangelical 'know nothings' what exactly are YOU going to do?
Fyi the USA is dead.
Your country has trillions of dollars in debt........what are you going to do about this?
American poverty has displaced many countries over the world
You have no decent healthcare/your people are living on the streets whilst you have the biggest incarcerated people on the planet. Your life expectancy is zilch. Look it up.
People like you have absolutely NO idea what happens when colonialism dies.
All of that might be true- but what is the alternative? A king, an autocrat? Like most of other countries? They are usually killing many of their own people who speak against the government or pray to a different god. Horrific wars and all sorts of atrocities have been committed by all sorts of governments since the beginning of time. Much of the world has numerous socitetal problems. At least in US we can have this conversation and not be thrown in jail.
At the present it seems SOME can talk others don't get to do this.
Revolution I think
Wow you really hate your own country! My guess is you probably believe in the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion"!
I have absolutely NO idea what you are saying here.
Try to speak in words one can understand!
Look up the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. It is a document that was published in the 19th century, a fabrication a false document about a cabal of Zionists who wanted to take over the world. Very much like what you are saying. Hitler and his ilk believed in this conspiracy and look what came of it!
You asked me what I read, I read history. I have since I was a child. One of the first books I read was the "Scorch of the Swastika." You speak of Genocide and seem to know nothing about collateral damage which happens in war. Look up civilian casualties in Dresden, Hiroshima, Nagasaki. This is the terrible reality of war and it is sad it continues. You seem to think that Hamas is innocent, didn't they start all of this up on Oct 7th? Do you honestly believe that they didn't expect retaliation? Hamas brutally murdered almost 2 thousand people and blaming Israel is akin to blaming the United States for Pearl Harbour, you speak in Hamas talking points and you seem not to have any grasp on history.
Hamas was given many millions of dollars and instead of improving the lives of their people decided to fight a proxy war for Iran by buying weapons and building tunnels.
Craig. Tell me please.
How come the supposed Iron Dome was not working?
If you are a small country without protection what is one supposed to do.........lie down and die or accept help?
I am 75yrs old and probably know more History and 'life experience' than your little finger.
You don't know about the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" with whom you subscribe to. So it seems you are aligned with the National Socialists. You didn't answer any of my questions? What do you know of warfare?
I don't need to. It is enough for me to have been in a Civil War.