Having these conversations now is just as important as having them after the election. First, this is what building a consensus looks like. People fight and call each other on their bullshit. Second, we have leverage. If the center wants us to shut up before the election, then they can actually give us something. Third, the dems-in-disa…
Having these conversations now is just as important as having them after the election. First, this is what building a consensus looks like. People fight and call each other on their bullshit. Second, we have leverage. If the center wants us to shut up before the election, then they can actually give us something. Third, the dems-in-disarray crap is talking heads nonsense. I've knocked on thousands of voter's doors and never have I heard. "I want to vote democrat but they can't get on the same page." You circle the wagon by holding your nose and voting for Biden/Harris on election night -- Not by shutting up.
OK. But I'm telling you, as someone marooned in a very red part of Pennsylvania, that what *I* hear from prospective voters is they don't like Trump but they're afraid the Democrats are scary commies. So some of us have to work on coaxing these people on board, and it isn't going to get done using the farthest-left talking points. Even if I believe in those points, which I do!
Ten poor black nonvoters who don't vote cause they feel alienated, and rightly so, are worth over ten times one rural white voter who would vote for a pedophile instead of a dem. Not the other way around, as the news and DNC would have you believe.
I grew up in Monroe County. We don't want those voters if they won't vote for 'commie' stuff. And if you live in a 'very red part' of PA there aren't enough of those voters to matter. So fuck em.
Go to Philly, or Pittsburgh, or Harrisburg or hell even Scranton, where actual voters live in actual number, and find the people who aren't voting and ask THEM why they're not voting for a democrats, if at all. I guarantee you it's not cause their fox-poisoned crack-brains have internalized a bunch of nazi propaganda.
You are absolutely correct. I grew up in deep red upstate New York. My family is a bunch of Trump supporters. Some of them can be reached, some of them can't be reached. But no one can be reached with talking points centrist or otherwise. Voters talk about policy and talking points as a defense mechanism. To persuade you need to talk through those defense mechanisms to find the things animating the voter and connecting with that. You reach them by sitting down with them and talking about that fear and where that fear comes from. You talk with them about your fears and where those fears come from. The policy discussion and the voter persuasion discussion are two very different conversations.
Due to your situation I'll recommend taking a look at Beau of the Fifth Column on youtube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2cxHr7RkpI <-- For example. He's got a lot of great vids on the subject. A lot of them approaching the whole thing from the coaxing people to see things with reason.
Just to role play what that would look like. I'll knock on the door of someone who isn't attracted to Trump but otherwise is leaning republican. They come out and I introduce myself, then I'll ask a question. Something like "so what are your concerns in this election." -- the voter responds "I don't like how Trump is dividing this country but the Democrats are all commies." -- My response would be something along the lines of "Yeah, I know that some of the ideas can sound pretty far out there but let me tell you why I do this. I had a good job but then I suffered a severe depressive incident that caused me to lose my job. Right then, when I needed healthcare the most. I couldn't get it. I didn't have savings because I was paying over $1000 in student loans a month, plus rent that has gone through the roof over the past few years. I personally feel that something needs to give so that I can get my family back on track. But tell me about what you're going through."
Having these conversations now is just as important as having them after the election. First, this is what building a consensus looks like. People fight and call each other on their bullshit. Second, we have leverage. If the center wants us to shut up before the election, then they can actually give us something. Third, the dems-in-disarray crap is talking heads nonsense. I've knocked on thousands of voter's doors and never have I heard. "I want to vote democrat but they can't get on the same page." You circle the wagon by holding your nose and voting for Biden/Harris on election night -- Not by shutting up.
OK. But I'm telling you, as someone marooned in a very red part of Pennsylvania, that what *I* hear from prospective voters is they don't like Trump but they're afraid the Democrats are scary commies. So some of us have to work on coaxing these people on board, and it isn't going to get done using the farthest-left talking points. Even if I believe in those points, which I do!
Ten poor black nonvoters who don't vote cause they feel alienated, and rightly so, are worth over ten times one rural white voter who would vote for a pedophile instead of a dem. Not the other way around, as the news and DNC would have you believe.
I grew up in Monroe County. We don't want those voters if they won't vote for 'commie' stuff. And if you live in a 'very red part' of PA there aren't enough of those voters to matter. So fuck em.
Go to Philly, or Pittsburgh, or Harrisburg or hell even Scranton, where actual voters live in actual number, and find the people who aren't voting and ask THEM why they're not voting for a democrats, if at all. I guarantee you it's not cause their fox-poisoned crack-brains have internalized a bunch of nazi propaganda.
You are absolutely correct. I grew up in deep red upstate New York. My family is a bunch of Trump supporters. Some of them can be reached, some of them can't be reached. But no one can be reached with talking points centrist or otherwise. Voters talk about policy and talking points as a defense mechanism. To persuade you need to talk through those defense mechanisms to find the things animating the voter and connecting with that. You reach them by sitting down with them and talking about that fear and where that fear comes from. You talk with them about your fears and where those fears come from. The policy discussion and the voter persuasion discussion are two very different conversations.
Due to your situation I'll recommend taking a look at Beau of the Fifth Column on youtube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2cxHr7RkpI <-- For example. He's got a lot of great vids on the subject. A lot of them approaching the whole thing from the coaxing people to see things with reason.
Just to role play what that would look like. I'll knock on the door of someone who isn't attracted to Trump but otherwise is leaning republican. They come out and I introduce myself, then I'll ask a question. Something like "so what are your concerns in this election." -- the voter responds "I don't like how Trump is dividing this country but the Democrats are all commies." -- My response would be something along the lines of "Yeah, I know that some of the ideas can sound pretty far out there but let me tell you why I do this. I had a good job but then I suffered a severe depressive incident that caused me to lose my job. Right then, when I needed healthcare the most. I couldn't get it. I didn't have savings because I was paying over $1000 in student loans a month, plus rent that has gone through the roof over the past few years. I personally feel that something needs to give so that I can get my family back on track. But tell me about what you're going through."